Not really that much in the news this morning. Nothing about the nuclear reactors in Japan. Have to go looking for that some more. It amazes me how something that important gets cut for the latest scandal – in this case the budget stop gap measure passed by congress last night.
All-in-all, quotes in the article are pretty free speech positive.
The one discordant note came from Dr. Geoff Tunnicliffe, Director of the World Evangelical Alliance. Mr Tunnicliffe asks Jones if he will, “...go to Afghanistan and look a widow in the eye and explain your compulsion to pull off a publicity stunt? Will you meet with the families of the U.N. workers and explain to them your provocative actions?”
This is pretty pointless, as it wasn’t Jones that made the Afghanis riot, set fires and kill people. It always amazes me when someone can’t see that the appeasement isn’t the answer. There can be no appeasement with crowds like these. They have been stirred up – in this case by Karzai – and they don’t know what they really want. They are just angry and are venting.
Why, Mr. Tunnicliffe are you not asking Karzai if he will explain his ‘compulsion’ to set his own populace to riot?
As usual, (at least, I think it is usual), the comments after the article say a great deal more than the article.
There seems to be a recurring theme that Jones shouldn’t have done this, because he’s a Christian. And Christians just don’t do that. Upset people, I mean. They are supposed to be all love and no fire. I wonder if the ones believing this has read any of the Bible. The Christian church was founded on conflict. Jesus was killed as much for what he said, as for who he was. Should the early Christians have stood silent, because they didn’t want to set the Romans off on yet another pogrom?
Bradley Beck, from Spokane, Washington asks: “What is it that keeps Jone's actions from rising to the level of fighting words, speech and acts not protected by the Constitution?”
This question seems to reflect a trend in this debate – How can we criminalize Terry Jones speech, so we can shut him up? Is this what we really want? To criminalize all speech the majority doesn’t like?
Mark E White of Atlanta, brings up another common thread in the ongoing discussion, "In addition to the harm Jones wrought to life, limb and humanitarian causes, his stunt put American soldiers at risk."
Mark, Terry Jones didn’t put our soldiers at risk.[2] The response of the Afghan people put them at risk. Once we accept that speech can be limited on the basis it might provoke someone to do something, we agree to prior restraint of speech. The SCOTUS held, in Near v. Minnesota, (full text here) that prior restraint of speech was unconstitutional. So, we don’t get to shut Terry Jones up for what effect his speech might have.
Janet from NYC, like many others, asks if Terry Jones expression was ethical. Janet, ethics are great. I am all for acting in an ethical manner and I agree with you that what Jones did was unethical. The problem with ethics is that they are entirely subjective. And one man’s ethics are another man’s anathema. So, how do we reconcile the two? We can’t and we don’t have to.
To the posters that likened Terry Jones’ speech to yelling fire in a crowded theatre. This concept is built upon the reality that doing so will result in a threat of immediate harm. How did Jones’ speech produce a threat of imminent harm? How did he know that the Afghanis would riot? Was he supposed to read their minds? What if his act set off riots of Muslims in Indonesia or the Philippines? Should he have known that, too? Where does it stop?
Forgetting, for the moment, that prior restraint of speech is unconstitutional, what would you have Jones do? Sit down and consider all the possibilities, however unlikely, that would result from his speech. Then, realizing what he was doing might provoke someone somewhere to do something many people would consider ‘bad,’ self-censor? No man has it within his power to know how his actions will be received in all places and by all men. The end result would be that no one could say anything because someone, somewhere, might get their feelings hurt.
The constitution protects rights. It does not protect anyone from getting their feelings hurt.
“If we have an intelligence comminity [sic] worthy of that name, they need to quietly apprehend these type of publicity addicts immediatly [sic] and provide them with an all expense vacation in Gitmo. I know this sort of thing the Nazies [sic] did, but we are at war.”
The poster of this statement has, obviously, adopted the Lindsey Graham model of ‘free speech’. We’re in a war, damn it, we want to bring liberty and rights to these Afghanis. And if we have to do it by giving up some of our rights, that should be just fine. No, thanks. That’s not the America I want to live in.
The ‘intelligence comminity’ [sic] you speak of existed, and still exists, in some parts of the world. Perhaps you recognize their names: KGB; Gestapo; SAVAK; et cetera. Do you really think bringing back this type of organization is a good idea?
The CIA has no mandate to operate domestically and has absolutely no arrest authority. Doing what you want is ‘extraordinary rendition’ – which the Bushies gave us and Obama has failed to condemn. Kidnapping people who disagree with the government in the middle of the night, shipping them off to Gitmo, where they will be held indefinitely without trial and, as an added bonus, tortured.
I am sad that I have seen the day that some people, (it seems like many, but I have no idea how many feel this way or the other), are willing to give up their constitutional right to free speech, because some nutjob pastor in Florida did something that upset a bunch of people with really poor impulse control in Afghanistan. Free speech is one of the cornerstones upon which our liberties rest. Do we really want to lose it to silence some completely inconsequential person who did something that upset some people thousands of miles away?
I don’t. You may feel otherwise. See, that’s a free exchange of ideas. Nobody gets killed. Nothing gets burned.
[1] The video at this URL is interesting. It just shows a bunch of people running around seemingly without purpose. Then some guys in green uniforms show up and start firing their AK’s up into the air. How do they get away with that? Those bullets have got to come down somewhere. Apparently, ammunition must as cheap as human life in Afghanistan...
[2] It is arguable that George Bush and Barack Obama put our troops at risk when they sent them to fight a war with no strategy, no goals, makeshift tactics and absolutely no exit strategy. And I think it is a good argument.